Thursday, December 3, 2009

Fish Quiz #1 - Easy (?) 10 points!?

Test your knowledge and get 10 pts for being the first to get all correct (or most correct before question goes to voting)! (Okay, VG, I admit I stole your idea from a few months ago).



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Today's question: I'm in a fish store and see a tank of fish called "ranchus" and another type called "lionheads".



1. What species are they?



2. Characteristics? How are they different?



3. How big will they get?



4. What's the correct name for the cap?



5. If I get one of each, what size tank I should buy to keep them as adults?



6. Best water temperature?



7. Can mine spawn?



8. How can I tell which is the male?



9. What's the white fuzzy stuff on the one's lip?



10. Give link to source for treating #9.



Fish Quiz #1 - Easy (?) 10 points!?

1. Carassius auratus, otherwise known as goldfish



2. Ranchus have a round body with a curved back, no dorsal fin and have head growth. Lionheads have a round body and also have a curved back but not as curved as the ranchu and also doesn't have a dorsal fin but usually has more head growth.



3. 6+ inches



4. It's called a wen



5. I would get nothing smaller then a 40 gallon, 20 gallons each but more space is always better.



6. 68-72 is a good range



7. Yes if they are both mature enough and of the opposite gender



8. The easiest way is when they are in breeding season, the males will show breeding tubercles. You can also tell by looking at their vent but it isn't always easy.



9. Most likely cotton wool disease



10. I have never had to treat it but this was the first site I found, http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/diseas...



Fish Quiz #1 - Easy (?) 10 points!?

1-goldfish



2-color and shape of head



3-5 to 7 inches (depending on tank size)



4-???



5- at least 55 gallon



6- 68 to 70 degrees



7- If you have a male and a female.



8- the anal fin will be tube shaped on the male, and look like the others on a female.



9- ick most probably



10-http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...



I love a pop quiz. (Even if im wrong LMAO)



Edit: Oh Poo and I'm only 15 points from level 3 ( I maxed my answers and votes today lol) Guess the celebration will have to wait until tomarrow. roflmao ;)))



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Fish Quiz #1 - Easy (?) 10 points!?

1. Goldfish



2. A Ranchu is a fat little fish with a double tail. A Lionhead (which is an oranda) had a big globby mass of flesh on his head.



3. Usually about 5" long, but it can vary depending on water quality, tank size, etc.



4. Are you looking for Oranda?



5. Recommendations vary. I usually recommend 20 gallons per goldfish. Other recommend 10 gal per fish, but I think that's too small. Some people recommend X gallons per inch of fish, but that's a goofy method, IMO- some fish are thin, some are thick- doesn't add up.



6. Roughly 74 degrees, although general recommendations are around 68 degrees. I keep some fantails in my outdoor pond and they do fine over winter (I live in the south) but the orandas have more trouble dealing with winter and are best kept indoors.



7. I don't know if yours can spawn- it depends on if you have a male and a femal. But yes, a ranchu and an oranda of opposite sexes can spawn.



8. Males have white bumps on their gill covers- the bumps are called tubercles.



9. Fuzzy stuff on the lip of a goldfish isn't a good thing- it sounds like a fungus. It might also be Epistylis or cotton-wool disease.



10. Koivet is a great resource for goldfish and koi diseases: http://koivet.com/html/glossary/glossary...



Fish Quiz #1 - Easy (?) 10 points!?

The Ranchu (Carassius Auratus) is a Japanese variety of the Lionhead. It has a more rounded body shape, curvier back which ends in an acute angle to an upright tail (45鎺?is the ideal angle between the tail the caudal peduncle). It has no dorsal fin but its swimming is not affected. In Japan it's called the King of Goldfish.



The Ranchu can be kept with other Goldfish varieties as it is a compatible fish, and unlike Celestials and Bubble Eyes competes well with other fish where food is concerned. It does not thrive well in temperatures below 55 degrees fahrenheit. It comes in several different colour mixtures, the most common is the orange/red-white, although lately other colours such as black, chocolate and blue are becoming more and more popular.



It is notably larger than the similar Lionhead, growing to a maximum length of 6 - 7 inches.



Ranchu are commonly classified into two categories, depending on how the fish was bred to be viewed from.



Ranchu were bred in Japan traditionally as a pond fish, hence it's supposed to be viewed from above. This kind of ranchu has a more elongated body, often referred as similar to a japanese coin or koban. The older variety, it has been bred for decades by dedicated breeders and follows the standard very closely. It is said that a good Top View Ranchu (TVR) must be like a sumo wrestler, with an imposing, solid build made up of massed circles %26amp; squares. The ranchu, as with a sumo wrestler, is supposed to comport themselves with dignity, and move with grace and power (Hunter, 2001). In Japan, top-view ranchu (TVR) has a devout following and each year there are many TVR competitions held by smaller local clubs (kai) and also bigger competitions like the All Japan Ranchu Show (AJRS).



This type of ranchu is bred to be viewed from the side, mostly because more and more hobbyists now have tanks instead of ponds. The side view ranchu (SVR) has a deeper, more rounded body than Top View Ranchu (TVR) when seen from the side, and is more bulky when seen from the top. With SVR, the smoothness of the backbone and the angle of the tail tuck is much more important than in TVR.



Fish Quiz #1 - Easy (?) 10 points!?

1. Goldfish



2. A Ranchu is a fat little fish with a double tail. A Lionhead (which is an oranda) had a big globby mass of flesh on his head.



3. Usually about 5" long, but it can vary depending on water quality, tank size, etc.



4. Are you looking for Oranda?



5. Recommendations vary. I usually recommend 20 gallons per goldfish. Other recommend 10 gal per fish, but I think that's too small. Some people recommend X gallons per inch of fish, but that's a goofy method, IMO- some fish are thin, some are thick- doesn't add up.



6. Roughly 74 degrees, although general recommendations are around 68 degrees. I keep some fantails in my outdoor pond and they do fine over winter (I live in the south) but the orandas have more trouble dealing with winter and are best kept indoors.



7. I don't know if yours can spawn- it depends on if you have a male and a femal. But yes, a ranchu and an oranda of opposite sexes can spawn.



8. Males have white bumps on their gill covers- the bumps are called tubercles.



9. Fuzzy stuff on the lip of a goldfish isn't a good thing- it sounds like a fungus. It might also be Epistylis or cotton-wool disease.



10. Koivet is a great resource for goldfish and koi diseases:



Bye!!



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Fish Quiz #1 - Easy (?) 10 points!?

1. Carrassius auratus



2. Ranchu are often heavier bodied. The key distinction is the splay of the tail and the bend in the spine. The ranchu has a wider angle between the lobes of the tail and a far stronger downward angle to the spine posterior of the dorsal area.



3. Let's say 7" standard length, but with Bruce out there... who knows for sure.



4. Headgrowth



5. Personally I would suggest a 40 "long"



6. 22-24C



7. Yes given you have a male and female



8. Males get white tubercules in the gll covers and leading edge of the pectoral fins



9. Possibly a fungus, possibly columnaris aka mouth rotmouth fungus. More details would be needed to be sure. But I would bank on columnaris



10. http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/diseas...



Oh yeah, next time take a good fish book to the store with you and for heaven's sake don't buy another fish with fuzzy stuff on it's lip! LOL



Fish Quiz #1 - Easy (?) 10 points!?

I am answering this question only upon special request.



1. Ranchus and lionheads are both types of goldfish.



2. The lionhead is an egg shaped goldfish, but its back is pretty much in a straight line and it has a wen. There is no dorsal fin on this fish. The ranchu is also an egg shaped goldfish, but its back is curved. It has a tail tuck of 90 degrees and can be with or without a wen. There is no dorsal fin on this fish either.



3. A ranchu can grow to 8-10 inches and a lionhead can grow to at least 10 inches.



4. The correct name for the cap is "wen."



5. As adults, you should have a minimum of 15 gallons of water for each, and preferably 20 for each. So for these two as adults, you should have a 40 gallon rectangular tank. Of course, larger is like us living in a mansion vs. a tract house, lol!



6. The ideal water temperature for goldfish is between 70-74 degrees F.



7. Yours could spawn if one were female and one were male. They can because they are both egg layers of the species carassius auratus.



8. You can only differentiate male from female when they are adults and are ready to spawn. The male goldfish will get white pimples, or tubercles, on the gill coverings and will have a concave vent. The female goldfish will become very round looking and have a convex vent. Actually seeing this is easier said than done. Also, the male goldfish will chase the female goldfish around the tank. But, absent a female, if a male is in the mood, he will chase other males, so this doesn't necesarily mean anything! lol!



9. Because the white fuzzy stuff is on the lip of the fish, it most likely is columnaris disease. Fungus and columnaris are almost identical, but being on the lip is biggest differentiating factor.



10. http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/Columnaris....



Fish Quiz #1 - Easy (?) 10 points!?

Sorry I was traveling and did not see your question until today....hold on and I will answer your questions.



What species are they?



ranchus" and another type called "lionheads". Goldfish



Ranchus = Carassius auratus Japanese breed



Lionheads Carassius Auratus Chinese



2. Differences: Headgrowth for the Ran's arent as large or as thick.



lion heads have a gentle curve to it with no humps or bumps to indicate a dorsal fin ever existed. Where as the Ran has much more arched in a definite uniform curve, with a sharp downward angle where the tail and the body connect. The peduncle itself is very thick and stocky, The finnage is short and well-matched and the double caudal is divided.



Lions have double caudal fins should be well-matched and one-quarter to three-eights the length of the body. The fins should be short, rounded and moderately forked, and should be held erect so the top lobes can follow the arched contour of the back. Anal, pectoral and ventral fins should all be paired and well-matched.



The hood or headgrowth should be large and cover the entire head, cheeks and gill plates in a semi-square shape. When viewed from above, the wideth of the head is wider than the width of the belly. The outline of the back of the lionhead is straighter and longer than that of the Japanese ranchu. The back connects smoothly to the peduncle where the tail joins the body, which is short and stocky, with only a very slight downward curve. In the ranchu, this downward curve is much more pronounced.



The lionhead probably has the largest headgrowth of any of the goldfish varieties. A good indicator of whether a quality young lionhead will develop excellent headgrowth is to examine the broadness and bluntness of the head.



(Lion heads Some of almost no headgrowth, while others have a very hard time seing out their eyes with the headgrowth covering most of it.) And then there are the longfinned variety, which is rather uncommon, but very beautiful and graceous. As for colors, in the metallic-scale variety orange, red, black, even chocolate and blues lately. For the nacreous types there is bi-color (red-white, red-black), tri-color (red-white-black) and calico. And there is even a red cap lionhead, with a bright red headgrowth and the rest of his body being white. All white are rare, in chinese culture the color white is seen as the color of death and mourning, so most all white fish are being culled out.



In China the lionhead has been named Shou-xing, after their God of Longevity Shou-xing Gong, and with the fish's fat belly also has a slight assemblance to the laughing buddha.



3. How big will they get? that would depend on their living conditions however the Lionheads can exceed 10閳?and the Ranchus as experts say cannot exceed 5-6" I have one that is over 8 and still going. That is still in debate. (as is with most pond fish)



4. Cap is called a Wen



5. The lionhead will do fine in a 10 (Actually both will) gallon but should have more room to swim 15-20 is perfect. (careful keeping them with fasterfish like Koi, Comet Goldfish and Shubunkin since they will not be able to fight for food. Slower goldfish are best)



6. Temperatures 74 76or 78 however I've never kept any of mine that high. Usually around 65-70 (and they dont' stay out in the ponds during winter.)



7. Breeding, if over the age of 1-1/2 years old. Your lionheads will breed. Breeding Rans you should have two males per every female. Breeding together, technically no but there are breeders that claim they have gotten a "Unique" breed from the two (not sure how they did this), they are the same fish but different fish. Since the Ranchu have a tremendous emphasis on the smooth but dramatic curvature of the back. Lionhead backs tend to be flat or shallowly curved and may be quite bumpy The ranchu caudal fin is supposed to form a 45 degree angle with the back. Lionhead caudal fins form nowhere near as dramatic an angle, are usually held lower, and can be quite a bit larger that the ranchu tails. the difference in body shape the ranchu was bred to resemble a Japanese coin. I interpret this to mean that the ranchu have a very round side profile, while the lionheads are "boxier". This would make for one ugly fish!



the tremendous emphasis on the length and width of the ranchu peduncles is not shared by the lionhead. Along with the floppier tails, the lionhead peduncles seem to be longer and thinner than those of the ranchu. and I am not sure this is a good thing to cross. I would have to say NO. (Anything is possiable!)



8. Best way to tell is the males have the caudal fins.



9. The white fuzzy stuff on the wen is kind of like a scab,



on the lips, naturally nothing I know of. Perhaps ich or some other parasite. Without more info I could not say for sure.



10. That would depend on what you were asking. on wen



on lips:



http://home.infostations.net/letitiashen...



This would depend on a number of things.



Fish Quiz #1 - Easy (?) 10 points!?

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Fish Quiz #1 - Easy (?) 10 points!?

umm... i have a question.... what the heck?



Fish Quiz #1 - Easy (?) 10 points!?

what makes you think you have permission to dictate when people can and should post (timewise) this site isnt intended to quiz people about things you already know, its to get answers and spread information about things you arent sure about.



its people like you that make this site less interesting and full of spam. i urge you to reconsider posting things like this again.

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